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What if the part of you causing burnout is the same one that got you where you are?

In this episode, Adam sits down with Rob Kalwarowsky—executive coach, TEDx speaker, and author of Capitalizing on Chaos—to explore how high performers can stop white-knuckling their leadership journey and start transforming from within. Rob has helped tech execs and founders all over the world how to fast-track deep change through his FIRE method, a unique four-step framework that rewires how we lead, scale, and relate to chaos itself.

If you’ve ever looked “successful” on the outside while feeling stuck, burned out, or quietly miserable on the inside, this conversation will hit home. You’ll hear Rob’s deeply personal journey from MIT engineer to global coach, how internal family systems reshaped his leadership philosophy, and why chaos might be the exact catalyst you need. Expect mindset rewiring, counterintuitive truth bombs, and tools to break through the next ceiling in your growth.

This one’s not just about business. It’s about the human behind the title.

You’ll Learn:

• How Rob’s FIRE method rewires leadership by turning inner chaos into strategic clarity
• Why imposter syndrome signals deeper misalignment, not personal failure
• What Internal Family Systems reveals about the voices that shape executive behavior
• How high achievers unknowingly sabotage themselves by clinging to “productive” masks
• Why logical self-talk fails—and what actually works to shift emotional patterns
• What guilt and overachievement often hide in leadership dynamics
• How emotional check-ins create trust and coherence in your inner team
• Why leaning into chaos can unlock innovation, not just survival
• How to evolve your leadership identity without losing your edge

Timestamps:

[00:00] Introduction

[06:13] The cost of a “perfect” life

[08:42] The role of coaching and therapy in real growth

[11:41] What Internal Family Systems therapy reveals

[13:21] Why mindset hacks don’t solve deep issues

[15:11] Even destructive inner voices have a purpose

[16:27] Rob’s 6-minute self-leadership exercise

[16:53] Step 1 of the FIRE method: find your reason

[17:32] Step 2: ignite the masks and uncover inner blocks

[21:56] Step 3: rapidly transform your identity

[25:04] Step 4: expand and evolve your leadership

[26:17] Why fear shuts down innovation

[28:00] How to lead teams through disruption

[30:10] Chaos opens new possibilities for growth

[31:33] Summary of the FIRE method

[32:57] The importance of guided transformation

[35:55] Why leadership growth is deeply personal

Resources Mentioned:

How to Handle a Bad Boss |TEDx Talk

Saboteur Assessment | Website

Internal Family Systems by Dr. Richard Schwartz | Website

Movie: Inside Out

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